Curse

Dj Tano · Apr 12, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

lol, youre right, such things need a fix...

AnnaCloud9 · Apr 12, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

The 'rarity' factor that Wiki is referring to has to do with the frequency a monster drops a certain colored item, NOT the abilities of the item.

The 'rarity' of an item is relative to each individual, not scripted by ANet and their method of defining rares.

The 'rarity' function does not include chests in any way, as pertaining to the frequency of certain colors, as chests never drop white, blue, or green items.

Go on a typical thwomp through your favorite huntung grounds, without keys, and empty backpack/bags (as much as you can clear of course). Pick up everything that is dropped from monsters. Now, count how many whites, blues, purples and golds you have (and greens if you so happen to be in Sorrows/Grenths or Cantha or Elona). Now do the darn math. You know what, your Wooden Boar Wand is now 'rare'.

reetkever · Apr 12, 2007, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I'm kind of pissed off about the drops in Elona as well...

Why did they change the lowest req from 7 to 8?

(req 8 seems to be as rare as req 7 in cantha/tyria).

Req 9 is about the lowest req you'll find in Elona. Of course, most of the time you get *blablabla* daggers with req 13 and only 1 mod (which is worthless btw).

99.8% of the time, blue items with either Precious/Highly Salvagable are worth more than golds/purples with other random mods. Is this how it should work?

I say throw down the req, beef up the requirement and decrease the drop rate by a bit. (At least give us better drops in high-end area's).

But then again, the prices of the truely rare weapons might go down, and combined with the inscriptions, the market for weapons might soon disappear (except of course the Crystalline Swords, Elemental Swords, Colossal Scimitars and so on...)

Sure, golds are the only weapons who CAN come with perfect stats, but 3 Devourers also CAN drop 3 black dyes in a row. It's possible, but unlikely.

Sir Skullcrasher · Apr 12, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

I get that alot too but my recent farming run net me a Gold Dead Sword with +29 health and +5 energy.

tayos · Apr 12, 2007, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Big deal, I'd rather they made rares RARE... like way back when... I mean my head exploded when I picked up my first rare hammer almost a month into Prophecies... which was also 14>50... which was also my weapon of choice at the time...

Let me put it this way, back then, if you used to play for roughly 3 hours a day, 6 days a week, you might be able to see one rare drop for someone else if you're always in a party of 6 humans or more. Maybe once a week.

Change purples to be the ones that give you the decent pieces you can snap together to make a really cool item, make Rares obscenely hard to find, but so awesome that, when one drops, like the child in Linkei Township says: "I just made in my pants!"

wingzro · Apr 12, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

GW just isn't too much about the items. You could go totally naked, with no items on and still do fine. More so as a caster since you don't need a weapon to do your job.

Master Sword Keeper · Apr 13, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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normal - bog standard weapon. Stick some flashy mods on it and bam... you can probably make a better weapon then most golds or probably mimic most greens.

^ this is so true. I have 3 perfect purples...Colors MEAN NOTHING! Just because you have a gold or green means squat. You can easily mimic any weapon in this game with mods and Inscrips. I hate bashers who think people are noobs because their weapon isnt gold or green. Who cares. I could mimic a forgotten sword just by modding a normal inscriable gladius should I feel the need to. END OF STORY.

ZenRgy · Apr 13, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

I totally agree with the OP, I mean look at this piece of trash!

No 15^50, no 20/20 sundering not even a +30hp omg, needless to say I trashed it.

Less QQ imo.

drupal · Apr 13, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

^ this is so true. I have 3 perfect purples...Colors MEAN NOTHING!

Yeah and that's the problem. Gold weapons should be something rare and not with a improved sale value or highly salvagable inscription, or do you want one on a crystalline? Do you?

Darksun · Apr 13, 2007, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

I think they are the only that CAN (learn to read) have max mods on them,.....purple items are just as crappy as blue items which you have effectively proven for me with you picture, thank you :-)

As you can see, the blue item he has there has a "perfect"max mod for health in stance (learn to read).

The colors don't mean that much. They should.

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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

The 'rarity' factor that Wiki is referring to has to do with the frequency a monster drops a certain colored item, NOT the abilities of the item.

Wiki explains the level of the Mods in terms white - Gold. There must be something wrong with this since the Eternal shield above has a perfect Health in Stance.
It seems that you're saying 'rare' means drop rate. But drop rate of what? Skin? Name? Mod? Upgrade? Damage? Exact combination of mods, skin, upgrade & inscription? Just COLOR? Isn't that circular logic? Golds are rare because Xmonsters don't drop items that are Gold very often?

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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

The 'rarity' function does not include chests in any way, as pertaining to the frequency of certain colors, as chests never drop white, blue, or green items.

Unless you get more Purples than Golds from chests, which you do.

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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

Go on a typical thwomp through your favorite huntung grounds, without keys, and empty backpack/bags (as much as you can clear of course). Pick up everything that is dropped from monsters. Now, count how many whites, blues, purples and golds you have (and greens if you so happen to be in Sorrows/Grenths or Cantha or Elona). Now do the darn math. You know what, your Wooden Boar Wand is now 'rare'.

So it's just skins? Don't know about that, maybe.

Sir Skullcrasher · Apr 13, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Zen, nice Crystalline! I seen that before!

BTW, forgot rare items in game! I got a PS3, PS2, a kick-A$$ computer which is better than any items you can find in game!!

Yawgmoth · Apr 14, 2007, 04:03 AM // 04:03

The problem is the flawed Nightfall item system. The color and rarity lost all meaning since perfect items can be made from any inscribable max stats base, no matter if its blue, purple or gold.
In the first place golds should have been made the only inscribable items (with only those inscribable collector/crafter items we got now being the exception). This way the dropped purples and blues would work in the same way as in previous campagins and golds would keep the 'rare' feeling AND Nightfall inscribable functionality.

Darksun · Apr 14, 2007, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

The problem is the flawed Nightfall item system. The color and rarity lost all meaning since perfect items can be made from any inscribable max stats base, no matter if its blue, purple or gold.

I think most people are refering to the stats AT drop time. Not after you upgrade. I mean, you could put a +30hp pommel on a white +3-5 sword if you wanted too. it's the stats AT DROP TIME that we are questioning.

jazyjason · Apr 14, 2007, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Golds arent "rare", they drop quite frequently. Its the skins which are rare. Its the perfect weapons which are are. Its the low requirement + max dmg weapons which are rare.

And i've never in my life got a "measure for measure" inscription.

Let me guess... you're low on funds.

You're p'd off because you cant find decent gold items to flog, or you cant salvage rare materials to sell.

Do you realise how vain this thread is. Gold's or greens are not the be-all and end-all of GWs. Golds or greens dont do anything amazing or special. They might have nice skins, and occassionally have some very nice mods, but their no different to any other weapon.

Take a normal - bog standard weapon. Stick some flashy mods on it and bam... you can probably make a better weapon then most golds or probably mimic most greens.

People who chase after gold weapons, are either PvP players who want to be L33t with the "perfect build" or their vanity players who want to be better then everyone else.

The rest of us seem to service without finding amazing, perfect, wonderfull gold weapons. Get over it.

Too true, the fact is in order to build any amount of wealth be it 50k or 500k or even 5000k, you need to start with a system. Even salvaging every little drop can soon turn into a great way to accumulate small amounts of gold. As for gold drops I'm personally against inscription based weapons in the first place. For one thing they make a 15^50 "normal". I remember when 15^50 was a staple in evaluating weapons. Now except for pure tyrian perfect weapons hence req 7's, 8's the value of the 15^50 damage mod is worthless. I suggest if you want to find that "diamond in the ruff" all the nerfed spots in Tyria (you mean W/Mo in desert? Gasp!), I found a req 7 FDS there once about 3 weeks ago, max dmg 15% enchanted. Took hours upon hours, but then an instant 200-300k wasn't bad not to mention 150 gold + tons of exp. Other than that just keep trying and save money.

Dark Kal · Apr 14, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by Darksun

As you can see, the blue item he has there has a "perfect"max mod for health in stance (learn to read).

The colors don't mean that much. They should.

How dumb are you? You can add whatever mod/inscription you want on Elonian items which is probably what he did. That doesn't prove those mods came with those items AT ALL!

So colors do mean something as you can only get certain max mods on GOLD items. I agree that there's no significant difference between blue and purple items but there's a huge difference between gold and blue/purple items, since as I said before you can ONLY get certain max mods/inscriptions/upgrades from gold weapons.

jazyjason · Apr 14, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

How dumb are you? You can add whatever mod/inscription you want on Elonian items which is probably what he did. That doesn't prove those mods came with those items AT ALL!

So colors do mean something as you can only get certain max mods on GOLD items. I agree that there's no significant difference between blue and purple items but there's a huge difference between gold and blue/purple items, since as I said before you can ONLY get certain max mods/inscriptions/upgrades from gold weapons.

Yes,but the issue at hand is in no way the mods on a weapon. People do not farm for hours for mods, it's pointless. What people are complaining about, especially old school Tyrian players from 2 years ago, is the fact that inflation mixed in with the over saturation of gold drops to appease the masses is slowly killing any way to make a decent amount of money. In tyria, I do some odd little chests runs through the shiverpeaks every now and then and even I have noticed an increase in gold drops there from chets. I think out of 8 keys I got 4 golds and 4 purples. Now all those golds I merched cause they were worthless. I can see the frustration from player and once again I knew that the inscription's in Nightfall would eventually kill the market. Now every Tom, Dick, and Harry have a 15^50 Fellblade. I can only hope Eye Of The North reverts back to non inscription weapons before we find ourselves amongst a growing throng of illegal gold buyers, and very poor unhappy players who cant even afford a decent shield or sword.

chembaron · Apr 14, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Honestly, that happens to me a lot. If it's a decent item (skin/Req), I just mod over it, but generally, I rip the Highly Salvageable off and slap it onto some Jeweled Daggers or somethin, which often gives up Rubies or Sapphires when I do. Not that big of a deal.

yup. that's pretty much my exact philosophy.

seut · Apr 14, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

And how many of those mods/inscriptions exactly came with those item? Other than their requirements they are crap. Also I said purple items are just as crappy as blue items which you have effectively proven for me with you picture, thank you :-)

I posted the picture more of a joke, because i sold them for a few hundred k 10minutes earlier

The 15% while enchanted inscription was from a gold staff with a non max inherent hsr mod. I bought the shield inscription, but you can get -2dmg ones from purple offhands. The 45hp handle was from a gold high req. shield that had no inscription slot!
It's funny (and a little sad) that you can find blue shields with an inscription slot and you can add a handle, but you can't add an inscription to a gold shield that has only a handle..